Hi everyone,

its is with great sadness that we have just been informed that one of our members Winston has died of Covid-19. This really brings home how serious this situation is. Our condolences have been sent to the family, especially Victoria his daughter who has been dealing with his emails and membership.

To be honest, having to delete Winston from the system as per the family's request was one of the hardest things I have had to do in a long time and I hovered over the delete button for quite some time as it felt so final.

UPDATE
Winstons daughter Victoria has been in touch and said "please accept my deep thanks to all of those who have expressed condolences and taken an interest. It makes all the difference in the world believe me this has reduced me to tears, and I know that Dad would have been so moved"

One member contacted us and suggested we run a monthly competition in Winston's memory.
Victoria thinks it would be a great tribute and would be very happy indeed if some such a tribute were made to her dad. She said he would have loved it.
We are not sure what form this will take and what it will be called so get your thinking caps on and post any suggestions below.


 

We hope that you and your families are all safe and well and coping with the lockdown. Personally I have not been out of the house for nearly two weeks now apart from essential visits to the shop for food.

The way the situation is unfolding we can't see racing returning for some time yet, although the BHA seems a little optimistic in their view that we may restart behind closed doors as early as May 1st.

So we have time to reflect and plan for the future. As a company, we have cut costs to the bone so we can weather this for as long as it takes and we are utilising the time in order to come out the other side better and stronger.

Many of you will either be working from home or not working at all and we wanted to give you an update on what we are doing behind the scenes and how you can get involved if you want to help fellow members. You can only watch so many box sets let's face it, and I have switched off the news apart from a once a day update.

We have purposely not got involved with other offerings that some sites are peddling such as promoting Bingo sites, South African Racing or other cockamamie products to make a quick buck. We believe that it smacks of desperation and would be both disingenuous and insulting to our loyal members.

We are all in this together as the government keeps telling us, but we thought as we all have a common interest it would be good if we can get all the members interacting and share some thoughts and help each other.

So what have we been up to and how can you get involved?

New Bet Tracker

We are currently developing a Bet Tracker that will be free to everyone when completed. Version 1.0 will be one of the most comprehensive trackers around and you will be able to record your bets on all types of sport.

Why have a Bet Tracker?
One of the most import aspects of being on top of your betting is to record your bets so you can easily analyse where you are most profitable and see what works or doesn't work for you.

The Cleeve Bet Tracker will have comprehensive filtering and graphical tools that are easy to use with just the click of a button. It has a comprehensive set up system so you can tailor it to your specific needs.

Some examples of what you will be able to analyse will be:-

  • Profitability by sport including turnover and ROI%
  • Profitability by bet type - do you make more profits by betting win only or each way or maybe under/over 2.5 goals on football?
  • The average price of all your bets with ROI% - are you more profitable at shorter or longer prices?
  • Plus a whole host of other metrics you will be able to analyse and report on.
  • Plus all data will be available as graphs so you can track everything visually

Punters Academy (working title)

we are in the process of mapping out a comprehensive manual/course and tools for all levels of experience of punters. Again this will be free but this is where we really need your help.

We can provide what we think people will want but we would rather ask you guys. We already have a list of topics and tools that we think will be useful, but before we go gangbusters and create something that nobody really wants... let's hear from you exactly what your pain points are, no matter how simple or complicated you think they are.

So how can you get involved? 

We have over 11,000 of you in our database and you're all horse racing fans so we all share that common interest. But more importantly, that's a large pool of people who can help each other. We would like you all to take a little time and post in the comments below, this can be on anything such as:-

  1. What are you doing to utilise the time some of us now have?
  2. Can you offer help to any one of our members who are local to you?
  3. Is there a local business that needs support?
  4. Are you involved with a local charity that needs support?
  5. Do you have any hints and tips for fellow members regarding your betting strategies - this can be anything
  6. Give us some feedback on the proposed Punters Academy below and any thoughts on the Bet Tracker
  7. Get your thinking caps on and give us some suggestions on the monthly competition in honour of Winston

Let's get you guys interacting and hooked up and we can support one another.

Stay safe
The team at Cleeve

37 Comments

  1. Steve Connolly on April 2, 2020 at 11:30 am

    That sounds brilliant – lovely message above although very sad and our hearts go out to the family – I’m on
    day 13/86 of isolation and have only been out in the garden to exercise. Keep safe everyone and we will all get through this with a new betting bank ready to go.

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 11:49 am

      Hi Steve
      sounds like you have a long way to go yet. Keep your pecker up and keep the exercise going as makes all the difference.
      Stay safe

      • Steve Connolly on April 2, 2020 at 3:45 pm

        Cheers Mark – did 8,309 steps i.e. 5.3km round and round the garden ( like a Teddy Bear ) wish I could help, I’m a self employed Taxi Driver so would be in a perfect position to help in the Chelmsford and Colchester region, however as I’m diabetic I’m in STAY AT HOME brigade lol – did three hours a day Mon/Tues/Weds getting to grips with the stats and form of Will Rogers Downs, thought I’d cracked it on Tues with 7/2,and 7/1 winners – last night was impossible could never have found 7/10 winners lol – will have a go Saturday – just for fun keeping the grey matter sane.

  2. Tony Shreeve on April 2, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Hi everyone,

    Sad to hear we’ve lost one of us to this dreadful infection.

    I live in the South Notts area and would be willing and able to help anyone of our members who is isolating and needs help with shopping etc.

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 11:51 am

      Hi Tony
      brilliant, there are lots of older people out there who don’t have family close by and need all the help they can get. If you know of anyone in Tonys area that may need help just post on here

  3. Perry on April 2, 2020 at 11:39 am

    Hi team,
    My wife Victoria and I would like to pass on our deepest sympathy and condolences to Victoria and the rest of Winston’s family.
    We live between Bury St Edmunds and Newmarket and if there is anything that we can do to help members in our area, we would be pleased to offer our help.
    Please contact Mark or Nick and they will put you in touch with us.
    Stay safe, everyone!
    Rasperri

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 11:47 am

      Hi Perry
      that’s brilliant so if anyone lives this area just let Perry and Victoria know and I am sure they can help out
      Cheers
      Mark

  4. Chris Myles on April 2, 2020 at 11:42 am

    Hi, would it be possible to promote a local company that I work for? We’re an educational training provider, that run free courses for unemployed people and for workers who are self employed, on zero hour contracts or who earn less than £17,555 annually (this can now include furloughed annual wage). As i said they’re free, all of our money comes from the government’s education authorities. Also, everything is online based so all you need is a device that can stream video for 3 hours a day to do a course. There are Level 2 courses available, which is the equivalent to a A* GCSE. Our Centre’s are based in the West Midlands but we can accept learners from anywhere in the UK due to the current situation. Thank you!

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 11:45 am

      Hi Chris
      that sounds great if the courses are done online and are free. Can you send through your website details to mark@cleeveracing.com and we can have a look.
      Cheers
      Mark

    • Ian Convery on April 2, 2020 at 11:54 am

      To help us at this time why not set up a comp with your customers pick a race each day 10 races winner gets info for 1 month free of charge or more when racing gets back under way.

      • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 12:03 pm

        Hi Ian
        that’s a great Idea. I will look into how we could set this up and administer it

  5. Chris Baker on April 2, 2020 at 11:49 am

    Excellent start guys, albeit from a sad perspective. RIP Winston.

    Bet trackers a great idea, I’ve been fiddling, unsuccessfully, for years! Will it be workable on iPad do you know yet, me being a laptop Luddite?!

    On the academy, I can think of one subject straightaway, Betfair Exchange. I do use regularly, but I know I am vastly under using the possibilities.

    Keep up the good work guys. Cheers. Chris

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 11:58 am

      Hi Chris
      Re the Bet Tracker, it is written in Microsoft excel but there is a free app for this from the App store. I haven’t tested it yet but will make sure when it’s finished it will work on an Ipad.
      Re The academy thanks for the input. I have some ideas on Betfair already in the plan such as how to dutch on Betfair and how to put back bets on for less than £2 which can be useful when you are dutching. Is there anything specific that you can think of so we can include this?

      • Leslie Sewell on April 2, 2020 at 2:02 pm

        BACKBETS on Betfair is simple.
        Enter odds of 500 in the bet odds box and stake £2.00. Press/click enter and then confirm. I have never known that selection to be matched immediately.
        Next step amend your stake (still asking for odds of 500 in the odds box) and add your required stake to the original £2.00 stake in the STAKE box.
        Therefore if you want a 25pence stake as an example you should enter at this stage £2.25 in the STAKE box again.
        Press/click enter again then check that you have entered it correctly. You will then see two unmatched offers on the right of the screen marked “submitted” both showing odds requested of 500.
        One of the offers will show a stake of £2,00 and the other will show 0.25 in the STAKE boxes.
        Select the box with the 25pence stake and amend the odds in the ODDS bet box to match the odds currently offered in the blue box.
        That will be matched more or less immediately.
        You now have a bet placed for 25pence showing underneath an unmatched bet for £2.00 marked “submitted”
        Click on cancel all unmatched bets and you are in business
        Good luck everybody

        • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 2:38 pm

          Hi Leslie
          a great tip for Betfair bets below £2. This will be included in the Punters Academy as a video explanation.
          Cheers
          Mark

  6. Ken Graydon on April 2, 2020 at 11:50 am

    Bet tracker sounds like an interesting tool.
    Punters Academy May be helpful to less experienced
    punters.
    But at the end of the day punters simply want WINNERS which have been in short supply over the last 6 months hopefully this will be rectified when we restart.
    Meantime keep studying and keep safe.

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      Hi Ken
      Hopefully, the Bet Tracker will be one of the best out there with lost of analysis tools and easy inputting of bets.
      The Punters Academy idea came about as we do get lots of new members who are quite new to betting and they ask questions that would seem simple to more experienced punters but if you don’t know you don’t know.
      Hopefully, we will get some hints and tips from members that we can also include.
      Re results, yes its been difficult of late but as long term members know we always turn things around and make profits.

  7. Andrew on April 2, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    Im very soon to hear about Winston..My thoughts ho to all his family.
    The betting tool looks a great idea and will be really helpful. I guess the online system you tried last year didnt work out? Any online betting exchange education would be useful.
    I live in Hartlepool so if anyone needs any help this way i am willing to do so. Thanks Andrew

  8. Scott Ferguson on April 2, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    The bet tracker sounds like a brilliant idea. It is something that I have tried (with no success) to do in excel.
    I am in isolation with my family as I am going through Chemotherapy and therefore vulnerable, therefore not in a position to offer help, other than moral support.
    Hopefully we’ll get through this..

  9. mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    One thing my son and I have been doing PE with Joe on Youtube at 9 am every morning.
    You’ve probably heard about this as he’s getting 100,000s a day all around the world doing it.
    30 mins workout to start the day.
    Must admit though after the first 3 days could hardly walk – too many squats!!
    Here is the link if anyone wants to have a go
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAxW1XT0iEJo0TYlRfn6rYQ

  10. Ian on April 2, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    For a bit of fun in these testing times could you publish your ratings for the 40 runners in the virtual grand national be interesting to see how they compare to algorithm run by ITV.

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 2:36 pm

      Hi Ian
      would love to do that but unfortunately, there are no race cards on Racing Post for Aintree which is where most of the data comes from for our rating sheets (we do use data from other sources as well and it all runs automatically) there is so much data we include in the Rating sheets that to manually type these in for 40 runners is a humungous task
      Will watch the simulation though and will be interesting to see how it pans out.

    • mark jackson on April 4, 2020 at 8:40 am

      Hi Ian
      Racing Post did create a race card so I have run the ratings and published them here https://www.cleeveracing.com/blog/horse-racing-is-back-virtually/

  11. Glen on April 2, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    Hi I am sorry to hear about Winston, my prayers and thoughts to his family. I am in the high risk group so feel pretty fearful sometimes. But am also a fighter and will do my best to get through the other side.

    The Academy is a great Idea as I find I am always learning new things in relation to betting and strategies all the time.

    I ride my exercise bike 30 mins per day to keep fit and eat healthy.

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 2:40 pm

      Hi Glen
      thanks for the kind words. Fully understand about being in the High-Risk category.
      My Auntie, sister and brother-in-law all in the same boat. I am sure you will come out the other side as you say and keep up the bike riding – well done.
      As you say regarding the Academy we can all learn something new even if we think we know it all

  12. Derek on April 2, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    Thoughts and prays go out to Winston and his family in what has become worrying times. RIP Winston, Im sure your shine brightly down on Racecourses from above.

    I’m presently on day 17 of 84 days isolation. Long way to go and I’m expecting this to be extended. Hang in there all Cleeve Racing Ite’s, stay well and safe. God Bless you all.

    Kind Regards
    Derek

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 2:43 pm

      Hi Derek
      thanks for the kind words. Hang in there and stay safe

  13. SEAN on April 2, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    like the idea of Bet Tracker;I’ve been doing ‘offline’ recording of each type of bets for over 15 years and it helps identify best types of bet (and worst). But something automated would be much better as long as it could cover the many categories of bets available across many sports-I only bet seriously on 3-4 different sports but mostly horse racing/football.
    Currently takes me ages to tot up all the numbers but now recently retired I will have more time to calculate and analyse!
    Not sure I would use the Academy idea myself but agree the main area for improvement is Betfair Exchange especially as I will now have more time for in-running bets.

    • mark jackson on April 2, 2020 at 3:29 pm

      Hi Sean
      the Bet Tracker will allow you to add as many sports and bet types as you like in the settings section and these will be available in the bets record section via dropdowns. You will then be able to analyse results based on sports type/bet type etc
      So say you back Both Teams to Score on a Football bet you can see your profit and loss just for this type of bet
      Re Academy we will be including Betfair as more and more people are getting their accounts closed with traditional bookies

      • Steve Connolly on April 2, 2020 at 3:53 pm

        So true – I’ve got two Accounts left out of 17 – so I mix about so as not to lose them – still got BOG overnight on one – how long for 😀😀 keep safe – reckon 1st June earliest but then how could Royal Ascot go ahead – who knows – me rambling now 🏇🏽🏇🏽🏇🏽🏇🏽🏇🏽🏇🏽

  14. Stuart Rains on April 3, 2020 at 9:52 am

    Very sorry to hear the sad news about Winston

    The bet Tracker sounds like a really good idea, I keep records of my bets now, but this sounds like another level

    It would be great to find a way of pricing up a race that is not impossibly time consuming …every time I look into it I get bogged down in the detail ….. maybe its just not possible in 10 -15 minutes …. to be able to to that would be super powerful ….. but am I asking for your grannies secret recipe ? the key to the crown jewels 🙂

    • mark jackson on April 3, 2020 at 10:20 am

      Hi Stuart
      thanks for the kind words
      Re the Bet Tracker hopefully, Verison 1.0 will go a long way to allow people to analyse exactly where they are profitable and it covers what most people want but as with all these things we will get feedback on what Version 2.0 should do so it will be an evolving thing and each version will build on the next.
      Re Grannies Secret Sauce we will be covering this on how we do it but its a very subjective thing.

      • Stuart Rains on April 3, 2020 at 11:55 am

        Sounds great … its good that Cleeve are one of the organisations that are using this disaster as an opportunity ……, looking forward to the results of your hard work

        • mark jackson on April 3, 2020 at 12:47 pm

          Hi Stuart
          Yes it’s an opportunity on how can we utilise the time to add value to the membership and I’ve got Excel googles at the moment but its taught me a lot about how much can be done with Excel that I never knew you could. Hopefully, people will see some value in it when it’s all done and actually use it.

  15. John on April 3, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    Bet tracker will be very useful and Thank you .On the academy well where do we start .First and foremost I would say bookmakers and those that offer best odds guaranteed the night before racing or day of racing .A list of who does what is always useful .Then how best to avoid restrictions from the bookmakers .Then take a look at win or each way betting in the context of Cleeve racing selections .Maybe elaborate on staking and staking ideas ie betting banks and % of bank to stake .This is all before we actually go into sourcing selections .

  16. Ken Pratt on April 3, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Competition wise could it be some form of knockout cup running say twice a week with players selecting 4 horses each with the winner going through to the next round until we get to the final and the winner getting some sort of prize. Shouldn’t be too difficult to run and could be for the Winston Trophy albeit a virtual one.

    Just a thought

    Ken

  17. mark jackson on April 4, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    It was so sad to hear about Winston, I guess we are all learning of family or friends or colleagues who have died recently and we have to have faith to believe that there will be light at the end of the tunnel soon.

    An idea for a monthly competition could be to choose the best riding performance in one of your graded or group races (for which you\’ve given tips) and for your team at Cleeve to pick the winner each month?

    Keep smiling,

    Kind regards,
    Peter

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